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>> right. >> so i think ignoring it was not the right thing to do. >> right. >> t media is going to cover, it unfortunately. >> but, again, it's a testament to the greatness of this country that we have someone this crazy willing to do something like this under the auspices of free speech, but it is sad. >> all right. listen. a pleasure. sorry for the brief time. that does for us. i'm dylan ratigan and "hardball" is up right now. no boehner. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york. leading off tonight, beating up on boehner. president obama and the democrats are facing a possible massacre come november 2nd, so today the president finally did what so many of us have been begging him to do. he went on offense. he gave a name and a face to the republican just say no obstructionism. wannabe speaker john boehner. he called out boehner and the
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gop for doing nothing but root for failure. he reminded us what makes democrats different than republicans. in short, he reminded us why we elected him in the first place. this is the kind of performance by the president we're going to see apparently every day from the democrats if they are going to stay into power. plus, secretary of state hillary clinton, general petraeus and even the vault can are now calling on pastor terry jones to abandon his plan to burn korans on september 11th, but the florida pastor is not backing down. pastor at jones' church if his colleague is willing to take the heat when his protests air on tv sets in every middle east cafe enflaming muslim extremism and perhaps well endangering the lives of americans. also, the professional left has been gunning for rahm emanuel and may get its wish if he leaves to run for mayor of chicago. will progressives be happy with emanuel's replacement, or is the
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real problem they have with president obama? plus, remember this ad? >> barack obama is the worst president in history. >> jesus, i think he was the worst candidate i've ever seen in history. that's dan quayle's son ben who is running for congress out in arizona. tonight, the democrat who hopes to beat him joins us on "hardball." and president obama wasn't the only one getting or actually taking on john boehner. the would-be speaker was forced to answer some tough questions today about, well, being the notorious tan man. let's start with the president's speech in ohio today, what a humdinger it was. "newsweek's" howard fineman is an msnbc political analyst and bob sclum is a democratic strategist. let me start with you, howard. big speech today, highly hyped. he went on offense. first time named names, none of the chicago tactics of old days of pretending you don't have opponents out there. he named him, boehner. >> chris, i think that was one of the best political speeches
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that the president has given. it was pointed. as you said, it drew distinctions and tried to frame the election as a choice between two visions and not as a referendum on him. that's obviously the battle here. i think he was speaking mostly to democrats. he was saying to the democrats, look, this is who we are. don't forget who we are. we want you to turn out. you need to turn out to defend our view of the world, and right now, as you know, the polls show a big gap between likely voters among republicans and democrats. i think that's what the president was aiming for, and i think in that regard he succeeded today. >> here he is, oward, taking aim at john boehner, the republican leader in the house who would be speaker if the republicans grab 39 seats. here he is going after boehner an selling his own economic plan. let's listen.ç >> a few weeks ago, the republican leader of the house came here to cleveland and offered his party's answer to our economic challenges. there were no new policies from mr. boehner.
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there were no new ideas. there was just the same philosophy that we had already tried during the decade that they were in power. the same philosophy that led to this mess in the first place. cut more taxes for millionaires and cut more rules for corporations. cleveland, that is not the america i know. that is not the america we believe in. >> you know, bob, just seems to be something and politics is unfair, we all know that sometimes, but seems to be particularly unfair that a bunch of guys who sat on the bench and hoot and cat call and say no and screw this guy's program up as much as they could, in the see-saw politics, if he goes down, we go up. >> right. >> that's all they got, boehner and mitch mcconnell. he went after them today. >> yeah, the strategy of no worked in the sense it kept the stimulus too small, made it impossible to have a second
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stimulus, but the president -- >> and forced them to build a health care bill entirely on the left. >> well, and it's kind of actually a romneycare bill, the kind of bill romney and ted kennedy negotiated in massachusetts that romney has run away from. what was great about the president's speech today is he got his voice back. he laid down real dividing lines. do you want a tax cut for the wealthy, or do you want a tax cut for the middle class? do you want to invest in america, help build our roads, help build our railroads, or do you want to continue to let corporations have tax loopholes for shipping jobs overseas? those kind of dividing lines are very similar, by the way, to what harry truman did in 1948, and they give democrats some hope they can come back. >> here he is on that point saying the republicans -- going after them on the deficit argument, using it against them, and, again, casting john boehner, the man with the tan, as the enemy of the middle class and a friend of the rich. here he is going after a guy who is basically a country club republican, nailing him. let's listen. >> now i believe we ought to
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make the tax cuts for the middle class permanent, but the republican leader of the house doesn't want to stop there. make no mistake.ç he and his party believe we should also give a permanent tax cut to the wealthiest 2% of americans. let me be clear to mr. boehner and everybody else. we should not hold middle class tax cuts hostage any longer. >> well, that's exactly what they are up to. let's get to that legislative point. howard, the republican strategy going between now and november is to say no, no, no. you're not going to give tax relief to the people who make below a quarter million a year because we're going to protect those who make above that amount, and that's the deal. >> well, i think barack obama's making the best argument he can make under the circumstances. in polling, chris, two things test very well, the notion that tax cuts for the wealthiest
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americans are out of hand and even more to the point that corporations are shipping jobs overseas. these are proven winners politically for any democratic candidate and for any democratic president arguing the case. my point here is that he's making the best case he can. you'll notice, by the way, that the president did not mention or only glancingly mentioned the health care bill that he spent a year getting through congress. that was going to be the signal achievement of the first couple of years. he didn't even mention it, and the reason he didn't mention it is because he realizes now, maybe too late for his party, that the jobs issue was the one he should have been on first, last and always from the very first day of his administration. this is a speech, the tone and content of which, he should have been giving day after day after day going back a year and a half. >> what i liked, bob, and your thoughts on this, i liked the comments he made in preparation as this, a prelude, as much as i'm proud to be a democrat i'm an american first and
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re-establishing that connection with the middle. listen, it's powerful stuff and echoed a lot of what he talked about running for president, the spiritual revival he offered of belief in our country but also a belief that our country has to do certain things. can't be laisse fair and sit on your hands and butt and just cut taxes. you've got to do other things. here he is. let's watch. >> we also hoped for a chance to political divides, between democrats and republicans, red states and blue states, that have prevented us from making progress because although we are proud to be democrats, we are prouder to be americans, and we believe -- and we believe then and we believe now that no single party has a monopoly on wisdom. >> nothing is more bothersome to me, and howard, you get in on this. you know, this notion that somehow only conservatives and
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right wingers are patriotic is nonsense. check the military. what are most of the people in the military what, families do they come from? who are we kidding here, and i -- the way that crowd reacted out there in middle america in cleveland, a hard hit area, howard, when you just say america, they go wild. how do they get away these glenn beck characters with the idea that they have some weird ass monopoly over the flag and god? who gave them? i don't think god gave it to them and i don't think george washington was saying let's choose the most right wing guy around here that i can help how the? >> well, barack obama's great gift but also great challenge, chris, is to be able to speak like that reasonable unifier figure, the one that a lot of independent voters and others supported in 2008, who were drawn to that as you said almost spiritual quality, embracing quality that he has while at the same time having to be a very partisan leader of his party here and remind democrats what democrats specifically are all
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about. if he can do both of those things at the same time, he can succeed again. it's not easy, especially in a highly partisan mid-term election, but that's what he's got to try to do. >> bob, respond to this and here's howard. one of my favorite scenes from "the untouchables" about the chicago way. let's watch sean connery tell us how it works. >> he pulls a knife. you pull a gun. he sends one of yours to the hospital. you send one of his to the morgue. that's the chicago way. >> did we see the chicago way today, bobby? >> well, we saw -- we saw him do those really tough dividing lines. give people tough çchoices, bu you're right. he did it in a context like ronald reagan did, by the way, like jfk did, where he also spoke to the country's ideals. he also created a narrative for his presidency for the first time in a long time. >> yes. >> whether it was health care which he did mention or financial reform or these issues we're now having over taxes. he said the real question is whose side are you on? the republican side with special
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interests. we're fighting for ordinary people. that's the argument that he has to make. >> you know this word narrative, it's overused i think but a great word for today. it's really right because i think he did. howard, we'll get to it in the sideshow where it belongs tonight, haley barbour, no problem with haley barbour, like him personally, but his number today but i don't really know about this man's background. we really don't know who he is. he wrote a frickin' book as good as huck finn, an amazing pick, it gave a color of a kid growing up in unusual circumstances but an american way and haley comes along and says we really don't know much about this guy's background. maybe he has to sell his biography one more time to this clown. >> i think he does, and that's why i said i thought it's one of the best political speeches he's given and why it reminded you of a campaign speech and why bob just said it restored the narrative. i thought one of the stronger parts here is when the president said, look, here's ply background. here's my grandparent and my grandfather had the gi bill and
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my grandmother worked in the plant. hi student loans. michelle's dad worked for the government. you know, the -- those are the kind of values, the mainstream american values that he was talking b.at first i said, my gosh, here we are more than a year and a half into his presidency, why does he have to recite this all over again. >> yes, well, he has to. >> and the reason is because he has to. >> right. >> he has to do it. >> well, they have lied about him. >> they have called him a muslim, an alien. they have got everything in the world. they got a quarter of republicans now believing he's an american, a quarter believing he's the religion he says he is, christian. >> and people like haley barbour who know better saying, well, i'm just not sure about his background. >> i'll get to it, howard. my father got us to be middle class by the gi bill, like most people watching. >> me, too. >> and that's how we all got to the middle class, and number two, i went to school on an nda loan from the government. >> me, too. >> you, too. this is pretty american stuff here. anyway, thank you howard fineman, and thank you bob
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sclum. coming up, secretary of stateç hillary clinton is asking the media not to cover that koran burning event down at the church in florida. she's worried that the video will go viral. of course, it will, and go around the arab world to every cafe in the middle east, and it's not going to help our soldiers, but the pastor behind the event says he's not backing down. well, we'll see. he may. i'll ask one of his colleagues if he's ready to take the heat and perhaps the horror if he does stick to this next. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. it's almost tee-time.. time to face the pollen that used to make me sneeze... my eyes water. but now zyrtec®, the fastest 24-hour allergy relief, comes in a liquid gel. zyrtec® liquid gels work fast, so i can love the air®. [ air whooshing ] [ crunch! ] [ male announcer ] 11 grams of delicious whole grain. one mighty toasted crunch. new wheat thins crunch stix. the crunch is calling.
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we're very, very convinced of what we are doing. it is by no means a stunt. we have thought this out. we have prayed this through. we -- we believe that this type of message is right now very, very necessary in america before it's too late. >> welcome back to "hardball." florida pastor terry jones says, as you just saw, that he'lmç follow through with his plans to burn korans on the anniversary of 9/11. another pastor from the dove outreach center joins us. are you armed at this point? >> yes, sir, i am. >> why are you armed? >> well, it's better to be prepared and not need it than need it and not be prepared. >> well, fair enough. if you think you face firepower coming at you, what do you think is going to happen to the american soldiers after this picture of the burning of the koran goes worldwide? >> i think they are prepared to
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respond. i believe they are -- they are prepared to respond, and the way they are prepared to respond right now. they know they are facing radical element of islam. that's why they are there. >> do you think that the missionaries and the other civilians around the world who are in muslim community right now should be armed as you are? >> they -- if able, yeah. if they feel like they need to be, sure. >> so you're creating a situation in which missionaries have to arm themselves to respond to what could be the response to what you're doing? in other words, you're creating a round of activity here that could threaten the lives of our own religious people around the world, and i'm dead serious about this. they are very exposed around the world, missionaries. >> no, sir, i'm not creating anything. what we're doing section posing what's already there. what's already there is an extreme element of islam. what we're doing here is we're exposing an element of islam that is known to everybody. the missionaries, the soldiers,
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that are in these areas, where islam is dominant. >> okay. >> they know the element they are dealing, and yet they go there anyway so we're not putting them in any situation. they don't -- that they are not already aware. >> there's something illogical -- let me ask you this. are you usually wearing a gun or only since your colleague pastor jones has made this commitment to burn the koran? when did you start wearing a gun? >> approximately three, four weeks ago. >> and why did you start wearing the gun? >> due to death threats against myself and my family. >> because of what? >> because we're willing to stand up for what we believe. >> okay. let me show you this piece from general david petraeus over know. let's listen to this and react to what you hear. thanks. >> we're concerned that the images from the burning of a koran would be used in the same
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way that extremists used images from abu ghraib, that they would in a sense be indelible. they would be in cyberspace forever. they would be non-biodegradable, and they would be used by those who wish us ill, to incite violence and to enflame public opinion against us, and against our mission here in afghanistan as well as our missions undoubtedly around the world. >> pastor sapp, what's your reaction to that? >> well, i believe we are also concerned, but if they -- if they would use this, what we're doing today to recruit and to act against american troops, what will they use tomorrow? they are always going to find something they don't agree with, that they don't like that is against what they believe. they believe in dominance of the world. that's what they believe. that is the radical element of islam, and they are -- and unless it completely agrees with their message and their wants
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and demands, then -- they will come against it so today it's us. what will it be tomorrow? what will it be ten years from now? >> i was in egypt last year, and i was lucky to get over there, and i remember walking around the neighborhoods of cairo which are rather peaceful, obviously, and there are people, you know, in cafes having dinner, smoking a pipe or playing cards or whatever, and i -- i just want to ask you when you sit around in a cafe like that, regular peaceful muslim people, and they look up at the television screen and they see an american pastor, a man of god, of the cloth, burning their religious book, these are peaceful people, what do you think their reaction will be? >> well, if they don't agree with it, they can pray for us. we're not -- we're not commanding that everybody has to agree with us. what we're saying is that the radical element of islam is going to react the way the radical element of islam reacts, violently. they are going to demonstrate and they are going to come out
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i mean, if someone was burning the bible, we would not threaten to kill the president. we would not storm embassies. we -- we would not have marches against embassies. we would not threaten to bomb buildings. we would pray for them. we'd have mercy on them and maybe we would even pity them but we wouldn't threaten lives with something we disagree with. >> thank you for coming on, pastor wayne sapp from down there in florida. the president of the interfaith alliance, reverend, i don't know how to continue that conversation because it seems like a reasonable question, what would a reasonable islamic person, there's a billion islamic people in the world -- i always come back to this. i want you to jump on this. the war we're fighting with terrorism is really about recruitment. you can't do much against the guy or a woman who is already a terrorist, already to strap the bombs on. you can't stop them. they are going to do it, and we'll have to deal with that horror when it occurs. you can't apprehend them in the act because it's all done
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sneakily but you can stop a person in their 20s from losing hope in their own lives to a point where they become suicide a. your thoughts? >> sure. first of all, i need to tell you i'm not armed. >> thank you. i didn't think you were, sir. >> you know, you're trying to deal reasonably with a mindset that is totally antithetical to reason. in the mind of an extremist, a fundamentalist, criticism feeds ego and strength, and it has been pointed out that a real extremist narrows everything down to eventually having even god in a box, and so when he says pray, he's talking about praying to himself basically because he's creating his own image of god. my experience is the same as yours with people in the muslim world. i was in -- in egypt earlier
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this year for a conference, and these are peace-loving people. any time that you try to judge a religion by someone who says they hold that religion but qc, in a way that is contrary to that religion, you -- you might ought to decide that person is not all that religious, and that happens in the united states. it happens in cairo. it happens all over the world. what i would hope is -- i don't think there's anything we can do about this guy, i really don't. i think what we have to do is we have to get the message out. this is not about american patriotism. it is not about christianity. it is not about religion. it is about hatred and divisiveness and a person who while saying that muslims want to control the world, he wants to control the world. >> let me -- let's watch
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together secretary of state hillary clinton today on this matter and see what you think. let's listen. >> we are, as you've seen in the last few days, you know, speaking out. general petraeus made the very powerful point that -- as seemingly, you nknow, small a group of people doing this, the fact is that it will have potentially great harm for our troops. so we are hoping that the pastor decides not to do this. we're hoping against hope that if he does it won't be covered, and, you know, as an act patriotism. >> well, there's a word, and i think appropriately used there by the secretary of state. what do you think? >> oh, i agree. that's why i said earlier that it's not patriotic. chris, i had an opportunity
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yesterday to do an interview with television, international television network that goes all over the middle east, and what i said to them was what i want to say to americans as well. to confuse what this guy is doing with patriotism or with religion would be the worst possible scenario. this is not what america is about. you talked about america a while ago and the spirit that comes when we talk about the nation. we're talking about inclusion. we're talking about people who -- who are peace loving people. that's not what this guy is about. i'm sorry thatç he's getting t attention he's getting. >> i know. >> but we have to take it seriously, and we have to set it in a context that lets the world know he doesn't represent us. he represents some fringe that is neither a patriotic american nor a very authentic religious
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person. >> reverend, you know who is rooting for him, some guy with a long beard in a cave probably in the northwestern frontier region of pakistan. >> right. >> named bin laden who can't wait for this to happen. >> you know what, chris? >> because this makes the point which he wants which is an east/west war. >> you know what, chris? the best thing that we can do to counter that is to see to it that the politicians in our nation quit playing with religion and quit playing with these kinds of situations with islam to divide the nation just in order for them to get elected. that's not patriotic either. >> okay. >> if we want to show that guy with a beard what we are, let's show getting together in a common cause to make this world a community in which everybody is safe to practice their religion. >> i wish i was in your religion, sir, and you are in mine. you're a great guy. thank you for coming on. i'm glad to be what i am but thank you for coming on. you seem like a great man of god.
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>> thank you. >> reverend wealthon gaddy. up next, what's haley barbour talking about when he says we know less about president obama than any other president in history? i can think a few we don't know much about. that's ahead in the sideshow. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. look at all this stuff for coffee. oh there's tons. french presses, expresso tampers, filters. it can get really complicated. not nearly as complicated as shipping it, though. i mean shipping is a hassle. not with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service. if it fits it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. that is easy. best news i've heard all day! i'm soooo amped! i mean not amped. excited. well, sort of amped. really kind of in between. have you ever thought about decaf? do you think that would help? yeah. priority mail flat rate box shipping starts at $4.95, only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship.
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back to "hardball." now to the sideshow. first tonight, is there a fan for the man with a tan? catch this awkward incident with john boehner today on "good morning america." >> it's actually been a poll out in your state of ohio saying 30% of the voters say they think you spend too much time on your tan and 27% don't like it. >> they probably weren't there yesterday when i was out cutting my grass or when i was out riding my mountain bike, all right? >> so no worries there?
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>> thanks, george. >> wow. i think if boehner is the guy in the golf course who just blew a putt. next, some curious moments or comments out of haley barbour. at a morning breakfast, the mississippi governor was asked why so many mistakenly believe that president obama is a muslim. well, governor barbour believed the president was christian, but he also offered up this little teaser. quote, this is a president that we know less about than any other president in history. when asked by reporters to clarify, barbour continued. there's not much about his background, in college, growing up. we don't know any chopped down the cherry tree stories. we don't know any of the childhood things. we know with rage rampingt i didn't say it as an insult or anything other than just an observation. i guess someone should point out that 15 years ago barack obama published "dreams of my father," an honest biography that anyone
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has read on everyone. it had in fact a mark twain quality. that's about as american as can you get. "dreams of my father," governor, take a look at it, in your local mississippi library. up next, the so-called professional left, networks, progressives, haven't been happy with rahm emanuel, the chief of staff for the president. may be happy that he's out to run for governor of chicago. what chief of staff does the president need to bring in to run the shoot without running there? will the net roots be there? governor ed rendell of pennsylvania joins us next. you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. dancing there? flying there? how about eating soup to get there? delicious campbell's soups fill you with good nutrition, energy, farm-grown ingredients, and can help you keep a healthy weight. helping you get to a happier place. have a nice trip.
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i'm hampton pearson with your cnbc market wrap. stocks giving back early gains on a no-surprises report from
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the federal reserve. the dow jones industrials managing to hold on to a 46-point gain. the s&p 500 adding 7 and the nasdaq climbing nearly 20 points. stocks starting out strong as financials bounced back from tuesday's concerns about european debt, but moving lower this afternoon after the beige book showed steady but slowing economic growth in many parts of the country. that report backing what investors are feeling, one describing stocks as bouncing off the walls with no overall confidence to kick them out of this tight trading range. meanwhile, the "new york times" shares surging 8% on a rumor mexican billionaire carlos slim is planning on upping his 14% stake in the country. and goldman sachs managing a modest gain despite word it will face a $31 million fineç for failing to tell british financial officials that it was under investigation by the s.e.c. that's it from cnbc first in business worldwide. now back to "hardball."
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welcome back to "hardball." if the so-called professional left as it's called by some has been critical of the obama administration, they have been angriest at chief of staff rahm emanuel apparently. here's just a sample of their comments. the daily kos says emanuel is far too quick and happy to accommodate that democratic party's corporatist wing. the executive director of the aclu, anthony romero says emanuel focused less on policy outcomes and more on maintaining a democratic agenda that will keep the party in power. and the progressive change campaign committee website has a hole rahm accountable pledge ending with we won't forget the choices you made, rahm. if emanuel decides to run for chicago mayor and president obama has to choose a new chief of staff, what can he accomplish with the choice? joining me is governor ed rendell of pennsylvania and
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salon.com john walsh. joan, let me ask you, what's your definition of a professional lefty? >> i'm not now and nor have i ever been a member of the professional left. that's what it feels like, chris. it feels like a real diminishing term and i'm sorry robert gibbs ever introduced it. it makes us seem like those of us periodically critical of the president do it out of some kind of financial interest. we're paid to criticize him rather than a sincere difference of opinion about what our country needs. i think it's invidious and i hope they finally retire it. >> he only said it once. >> well, that's enough and the rest of us keep repeating it. >> what's worse or better, governor rendell, to be a member of the professional left or be a fruit loop, a wacko, a far out crazy? your words today. i have never heard you so did demonstrative in going after the right wing. >> good for you. >> do you like those words now, will they be part of your vocabulary or are they a one-day
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wonder? >> i think it's legitimate. if i can answer the professional left. >> sure. >> what robert gibbs was saying and referring to was the left wing of the democratic party. i don't know how he got the worç professional in, but there are people who tend to feel very passionate, and they are critical at times, but they have the right to their passion, and i think they are a lot more reasonable, a lot more sensible than the -- i would analogize them to the right wing, but the responsible right wing of the republican party, but the republican party is now dominated by people who are flat out nuts. they are wackos, they are fruit loops, you name it. >> okay. >> and there's no question about it. >> while you're hot, which one is pat toomey, the guy running for senator from pennsylvania, a fruit loop, a wacko or far-out crazy, which one is he? >> no. i think pat too maniy is on the extreme right wing, but i think he's responsible. >> oh, my god. >> that's an endorsement from you. >> it's not an endorsement, but the problem is -- the problem is if pennsylvanians vote for pat toomey saying well, he's not so
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bad, he's not as crazy as a lot of them, the crazies are taking over that party. >> right. >> and pat toomey's election is going to empower that party to have the reins of government, and that's the problem. so it's not that pat himself is a wacko, he certainly is, but his election will help that party go one step further to controlling, and we're going to deal with repealing the 14th amendment, attacking the president because we're not sure he's born here, attacking people who are own employment compensation and saying they don't want to work, ridiculous statements. >> yeah. let me go back to the argument here and you're both very much aware of this argument. we have a president who is center left, progressive, a moderate progressive i guess you would say, a man who obviously has some strains of his thinking which are pretty liberal, an old word for us, my favorite word is liberal, and some are more moderate and some are just american so it's a mixture, a mixture of a lot of views. >> right. >> here's the question. are people on the left, and i don't mind that word political, as long as we say the american
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left, that should be a phrase. >> sure. >> are they looking for someone to come in here, joan, and legitimately demand say, for example, that the president should name howard dean as his chief of staff or sherrod brown or someone clearly the 100% ada rating, someone clearly on the sflest do you think that's reasonable if they make that demand? >> no, and i'mç not hearing th demand. i'm hearing a concern about what is a crazy notion that he would appoint a republican. he's not going to do that. i'm not really hearing anybody coalesce around a particular ideological figure, though sherrod brown is a great -- would be a great choice, but i'm not hearing that. here's what i am hearing, chris. i'm hearing people say that they would like it if obama's chief of staff did not refer to the progressive pace as f'ing retarded and did not refer to unions also using the "f" bomb. they would like it if obama's chief of staff would cheat the progressive base with the respect, with the respect that we are due, and i think they would also like it if that
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person cannot have ties to wall street because rahm left the wall street, god bless him, made a lot of money in banking for his family. i think there's a feeling that the obama white house has been too close to wall street and it would be great to have somebody with a little bit of life diversity in their background. >> what about a man who i think is in many ways a progressive and certainly a good governor person and that would be michael bloomberg, if you could get him to be coo of the government. i don't think this administration has ideological problems, where it ought to be ideologically, somewhere center left and it needs to do a better job running the country and the real chain of command, get the job done. first you governor, and then joan. >> joan has to realize and everyone out there has to realize chief of staff's main job is to implement the policies set by the president or the governor. >> right. >> no chief of staff has ever shaped policy for me. >> right. >> i've told them what the policy is, go out there and get it done. mike bloomberg, if he would do it, and i'm not sure that he
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would, would be fabulous because he knows how to get things done and in some ways mike bloomberg is non-political. he's just a doer. he's an achiever. >> yeah. >> and he would be a great choice. i thought when i heard you say that last night, i thought it was a great idea. i'm not sure that mike would likely do it. >> well, he's a public servant and if he wants to be the leader of this country, he may be happy to be coo if he's not going to be ceo. joan, your thoughts. the people that you talk to a lot and read about and read their blogs and read their websites, do you think there's a call for someone of the -- not professional, i'm not going to be derogatory, someone of the american left to be chief of staff,ç or is it not enough ju to have a pro business type? >> not enough to have a pro business type. i understand what governor rendell said and i'm uncomfortable mucking around in this decision. it's the president's decision. it really is about making his white house run, his administration run. it's not an ideological position. >> i agree. >> i would just say it would be great not to have somebody who makes it ideological with unfortunate remarks about the president's base. that's all i'm asking for.
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>> i agree. every party is a mix of left and right and center -- center left orer? right. governor, let me ask you this. who is in first place right? >> the phillies, for the first time since may. >> small point for us. thank you, joan. >> the giants are fighting there, but we're going to win the west. >> they are in second place which is fine, but the phillies are in first. >> one game up. >> still one game up. >> thank you. up next, dan quayle's son, ben. more quayles than we need, is running for congress in arizona, and he calls president obama the worst president -- i'd say away from those superlatives if i were a quayle. we've got the democrat who hopes to beat him next. this is "hardball" only on msnbc. copd makes it hard for me to breathe. but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now, i can join the fun and games with my grandchildren. great news! for people with copd, including chronic bronchitis, emphysema, or both,
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republicans with a ten-point lead amongst registered voters in the congressional ballot question, the one that asks whether you're going to vote for a republican or democrat. today the poll has them even among 46%. why such a change? gallup said the end of president obama's vacation, the end of combat operations in attack and the attention given to glenn beck's rally on the mall may have been the factors, but the bottom line is the gallup numbers are closing. they have been all over the map and it should be taken with a grain of salt. they keep changing. by the way, it's got to be seen as a good day for the dems. "hardball" back right after this.
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back to "hardball." charlie cook's latest house
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projection saw republicans gaining over 40 seats this november, and thereby regaining representatives and picking their own speaker. the aforementioned john boehner. in the arizona third district is one of this year's marquee open races with a seat available to either party and ben quayle, son of the former vice president dan quayle is running as the republican candidate. he's already made waves with this primary ad. >> barack obama is the worst president in history. and my generation will inherit a weakened country. drug cartels in mexico, tax cartels in d.c. what happens to america? i love arizona. i was raised right. somebody has to go to washington. and knock the hell out of the place. my name's ben quayle, and i approve this message. >> god, he seems like a weak read reading very tough words. we have joining us right now
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john holbert running against him. your opponent looks like a guy who is giving tough talk but seems like a weak figure to deliver it. he's nervous, looks like a neofight. what historic background does he come from except his father? your thoughts? >> he's entitled to his çopini. i think he studied history in college. i've got different people i would have picked, maybe harding, i don't know, coolidge. i could think of a fair number. hoover is up there. nixon. there's plenty. >> you're being tough. you mean president obama ranks near the bottom with those characters? >> no, absolutely not. his term is less than half over. i think it's silly. you know, let's let the voters decide in cd 3 this fall who's the best candidate for their spot. i would tell you that ad was done in large part to change the subject out here in arizona and frankly to, make it more of a national race for ben. >> can a big wave election like we're seeing that may be coming
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especially in arizona carry such a weak read onto the beach? i've never seen a weaker performance by a candidate. he seems scared. out of his league, reading words that someone else wrote, he's not a macho man this guy. there he is using macho man language. it seems odd this tough talk coming from this personality here. >> we're going to have other ads. we'll have my ads. ben will have more ads. hopefully he won't just be playing that ad again for the rest of the fall. we'll see how he matches that as we now move into the general. i suspect that the general audience out here in congressional district three, which for ben will need to include independents and maybe some democrats to win this seat, he's going to have to reach out to them with a slightly less partisan message i would hope. our message, which we've been giving all year long to independents, republicans and democrats an like is that i'm an independent thinker willing to cross my party on issues and i
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would hope that ben would be in a position to cross his party on issues because out here in arizona and in this district in particular, there are a lot of independents, 31%, but there are a lot of independent thinkers in both the democrat and republican parties. >> okay. you used the word democrat as an jajtive. are you sure you're a democrat? >> just since i was 18. >> you're talking like a republican when you say democrat party. that's a noun. listen to your tough ad running now on christian radio. >> as a christian and a mom, i'm worried that morality is slipping away in our country. i've read that congressional candidate ben quayle helped create one of the mostç offense websites i've ever seen, a site that promotes drugs and prostitution is, filled with meanness and foul language, humiliates women and mocks people with down's syndrome. please tell me there are some things we can say no to, even in today's society.
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>> i'm john hulburt. i'm a father of five. i approve this message because i believe we can do better. >> did he really have a role in mocking people born with down's syndrome? >> he absolutely had a role in this website. the owner of it has said if it were not for ben quayle or what he called brock landers there would be no the dirty.com. those are his words, not mine. >> do you think you would say this is the thinking of ben quayle, the son of the former vp that he believes in this kind of derision of people born with special needs and handicapped people? would you say he thinks that people born with down's syndrome should be made fun of? >> i don't know what he thinks because he won't own up to it. in the beginning he had no knowledge of it, then had he some knowledge of it. then i changed his story and said he was willing to drive traffic to it with these posts. >> john hulberd running out in the third district of arizonas this november 2nd.
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when we return, let me finish with some thoughts what president obama said today. i've been wanting him to say this. i want to tell you what i think it was. something particularly american today, not especially partisan. something that makes everybody i think feel better about this country. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. access your own money. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 it'd be like every atm in the world was your atm. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 the schwab bank high yield investor checking(tm) account. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 zero atm fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 a great interest rate. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 no minimums. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 the biggest thing in checking since checks. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 open an account at 1-800-4schwab or schwab.com. i've been looking at the numbers, and i think our campus is spending too much money on printing. i'd like to put you in charge of cutting costs. calm down. i know that it is not your job. what i'm saying... excuse me? alright, fine. no, you don't have to do it. ok?
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let me finish tonight with some things the president said today in cleveland. it was a partisan speech. as the president can be expected to give in a tough election
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season. but deep in his message today was the heart beat of the campaign that won in the white house "although we are proud to be democrats we are prouder to be americans. our families believed in the american values of self-reliance and individual responsibility and they instilled those values in their children but they also believed in a country that rewards responsibility, the country that we wards hard work, a country built upon the promise of opportunity and upward mobility. they believed in an america that gave my grandfather the chance to go to college because of the gi bill." i think a lot of us could have given that speech the president gave today. my father went to school on the gi bill. it's probably the reason i and my brothers grew up in comfortable middle class surroundin surroundings. i went to college with loans from the national defense education act. it's the reason i was able to go to holy cross. the deeper message is the gratitude he expressed today for being born in this great

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